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Hello all, We will release an official announcement later today but our tests have shown performance and timing issues with Cubase, Nuendo and Sequel on Windows 10 (build 10240) systems. Also, the latest Quicktime 7.7.7 cannot be installed on a Windows 10 system which basically removes the video support in Cubase and Nuendo.
While these issues did not occur on all systems we tested with, we can only recommend to wait. In addition, the Yamaha Steinberg USB and Firewire drivers also show issues with sample rate switches and thus are not fully compatible either. More information will follow as soon as we know more.
Nuendo 4 - 8.0.10 VST Studio Connect Pro Windows 10 Pro Intel i7 - 5820K CPU @ 3.30 64-bit OS 32GB of RAM RME HDSPe RayDAT NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti Video Card Euphonix MC Control, 2 Mix & Transport Xkeys iConnectivity mi10 MIDI Interface UAD-2 Octo Core with UAD-1 Legacy Ultra Pak Isotope RX4 Melodyne 3.2 Voxengo Plugins Real Guitar B4 II EZ Drummer Drumagog 4 Virtual Guitarist 2 Korg, Roland, Kurzweil Synths Apogee Big Ben 32 Channel Panasonic DA-7 desk Equator D5 (5.1) & Mackie 824 (St.) monitors VS-1680 & 880 HDR's . I have to say that it is extremely disappointing that Steinberg has not been doing effective testing for Windows 10 all along. What was Steinberg waiting for? A heads up after almost two weeks of Windows 10 being out is woefully inadequate. The current Windows 10 build has been out for more than a month. All the Steinies are saying 'Thanks for the heads up' and other similar verbiage. I am saying 'Why did Steinberg fail to have these issues resolved before July 29th?'
We are all paying good money for Nuendo 7. It is a disgrace that Steinberg has not been on top of this issue since the Windows 10 builds were made available for the express purpose of testing.
And of course why the surprise with Quick Time? I hope that this will be a quick resolution and not drag on for months as in the past. Michael W Peters wrote:I have to say that it is extremely disappointing that Steinberg has not been doing effective testing for Windows 10 all along. What was Steinberg waiting for?
A heads up after almost two weeks of Windows 10 being out is woefully inadequate. The current Windows 10 build has been out for more than a month. All the Steinies are saying 'Thanks for the heads up' and other similar verbiage. I am saying 'Why did Steinberg fail to have these issues resolved before July 29th?' We are all paying good money for Nuendo 7.
It is a disgrace that Steinberg has not been on top of this issue since the Windows 10 builds were made available for the express purpose of testing. And of course why the surprise with Quick Time? I hope that this will be a quick resolution and not drag on for months as in the past. It's not that easy. Let's start with Quicktime. Version 7.7.7 was released not too far prior to the Windows 10 release and this was the first version which could not be installed on Windows 10.
7.7.6 works just fine. And this is actually a very good example. If we had started Windows 10 tests too early we would have announced compatibility only to take it all back last minute because a newer version/build of Windows (or Quicktime) broke everything again. So what we did was running a large scale test with what we assumed was the released build of Windows 10 and we found issues. Issues our competitors have to face as well. I am not sure why no one else gave a warning that performance issues could come up but it might be related to the fact that we found something they did not find. There is something wrong with realtime audio operations in Windows 10 and Microsoft is working closley together with us to address this.
Not because we screwed up but because there is a bug in the system. These things can happen and as with every other major OS upgrade one should wait before deploying it in a professional and productive environment. Nuendo 7 works fine on Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 so what exactly is it that makes Windows 10 a requirement all of a sudden? BTW other companies like Avid or Sony (for their Vaio computers) also do not support Windows 10 as yet.
Lauryn Hill Doo Wop Instrumental Mp3 Download. I would like to offer a different point of view. I think that waiting, thoroughly testing the release build and not offering immediate compatibility with the latest and greatest operating system just released is more professional than saying 'go for it' and cope with the aftermath later. Please be patient, both MS and Steinberg are working on it.
Michael W Peters wrote:What about Microsoft? The discussion here is Steinberg and Nuendo. Windows 10 is an OS. Nuendo is an application. The application must work with the OS not vice versa and that is why there is testing. Apple does not make sure that Nuendo works with its OS. That's Steinberg's job.
Same situation with Microsoft. There is always a dialogue between companies like us and Apple/Microsoft. They do receive feedback from Steinberg and everyone else and address things on their end all the time. An application can only work if the preconditions are met.
Lydiot wrote:makes me wonder about the wisdom of choosing QuickTime for video playback. There is no 'wisdom' - Steinberge not feasible to completely separate Nuendo for Mac and PC, and now Nuage. For Mac computers QuickTime alternative - no. One shot of Steinberg decided to kill three birds with one stone. As a result, we have the stupid flat, half finger - oriented interface with variegated and unreadable buttons, labels, incomprehensible faded colours and confusing of windows in N7. Plus the need to almost constantly to convert videos to work in the program.
Probably will soon release another Nuendo for Apple and Android phones, they have no time to adapt with the new W10. Thank-you Ed for your thoughtful and courteous reply.
I also appreciate your candor with a peak behind the developer scenes. It is a shame that the RTM build was not available longer for testing purposes. If Steinberg and Microsoft were 'in this together' one would have thought that the problem in the RTM build would have been discovered sooner. Why did awareness of the issue surface within a couple of weeks after 7/29? From what you have written this problem seems to be a major audio processing issue and not just a slight bug.
I can agree that there SHOULD be a dialog between the OS manufacturer and the application developer. This dialog should be starting almost at ground zero when either side contemplates a major revision. Windows 10 has been available to developers with builds based on end user input for at least 6 months if not longer. I can appreciate that Steinberg would want to do aggressive testing late in the game since builds, as you say, fix some things and break other things. So how long did Steinberg have with the 10240 RTM build? Reimage Code Key on this page. It is gratifying to hear that both parties are working aggressively on this issue.
And yes, many vendors are still not certifying their drivers (MOTU big example) and applications for Windows 10. Perhaps the finger should be pointed more at Microsoft for not having the RTM build out for at least a month before public release. Then at least app developers and device manufactures could due their due diligence and report issues and get them resolved BEFORE the public release. What to you think Ed? Best regards, Michael Peters. Michael W Peters wrote:So how long did Steinberg have with the 10240 RTM build?
It is gratifying to hear that both parties are working aggressively on this issue. And yes, many vendors are still not certifying their drivers (MOTU big example) and applications for Windows 10. Perhaps the finger should be pointed more at Microsoft for not having the RTM build out for at least a month before public release.
Then at least app developers and device manufactures could due their due diligence and report issues and get them resolved BEFORE the public release. What to you think Ed?
Best regards, Michael Peters We have had enough time to test that build and to find this issue. Also Yamaha did tests prior to the Win 10 release and discovered issues with sample rate changes. This all led to our recommendation not to upgrade until further notice. We also tested basic functionality with earlier builds but just like the customer feedback we have received so far, the issues do not occur on all systems and thus we did not find them back then. Even during the heavy testing cycle, we have had mixed results. It always depends on how you work and what kind of project setup you have.
Personally, I think that Windows 10 is and will be a great operating system as Microsoft put at lot of thought in the audio aspects of it. With many changes the risk of new issues coming up increases. But we are working on it. Ed Doll wrote: Also, the latest Quicktime 7.7.7 cannot be installed on a Windows 10 system which basically removes the video support in Cubase and Nuendo. Just noticed alert in Avast Free that Quicktime 7.7.7 update is available. So I tried to update in on my non-daw Win10 pc, just to see. It updatet fine, Quicktime now shows version 7.7.7 in about window.
I don't know if this was the case all the time, maybe there is some other problem hidden, I don't know. But since Ed Doll says that 'Quicktime 7.7.7 cannot be installed on a Windows 10', this seems to have ben fixed, I was able to update QT to 7.7.7 on Win10. Hi guys, i to was suffering from this problem, i did however think i solved it! I'm using a RME babyface and the performance was dreadful. Way to high CPU usage, unworkable. After trying several different thing the only thing that did work was changing the WDM devices settings (in my babyface control panel) from 6 to 3 (mabey 5 or 4 work to?) I have no idea what it does or mean, but it did work.
Everything is working smoothly now Hooray! Hope this helps somebody. Dave Edit: unfortunatly, after closing down cubase the problem persist. I did however find out that the desktop windows manager session manager process is the one that's giving all the problems.
Sometimes though it seems that cubase is giving a signal to windows that audio must be given priority and then all is working fine. Hope this will soon be fixed. Btw i'm still working in cubase 6.
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